keith writes.
you have just touched on a flawed doctrinal belief that is foundational to false religion.. first, it is important to understand what false religion means when they call themselves jehovah’s witnesses.
by this, they declare themselves to be “witnesses of the father” despite the fact that jehovah is not the name of god at all, but a concoction of human origin from the dark ages.. here is the flaw:.
Can someone please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that are recorded in the bible.
The four gospels accounts were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so not eyewitness accounts.
Jesus at best was a apocalyptic preacher who was killed by the Roman's as were many others at the time .
mark jones writes:.
if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .
if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.
Vanderhoven7
Can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible says he did ?
The four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events.
mark jones writes:.
if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .
if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.
I knew some jws who would invite family members over for a special meal on the 25th of December including elders with the excuse being that everyone is on holiday. As long as no pagan decorations or a tree was visible nobody would bother.
Again jws cherry picking what they considered as pagan eg decorations and tree to make themselves different from other "Christian" religions.
Like the pagans who also believed in virgin birth, miracles like turning water into wine etc, resurrection stories, ascension stories .
One of the few things jws were right about the pagan stories that were accepted into religions and the bible so as to include as many people as possible.
What you find out when you do independent research into the bible and its stories.
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
The earliest copy of 1st Timothy dates to the 3rd century, so no one can say with 100% certainty that what the original said because we don't have a copy to compare.
So again all those references can't all be right but they all can be wrong.
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
The oldest manuscripts containing some or all of the text of 1 st Corinthians
Papyrus 46 ad 175 -225
Codex Vaticanus ad 325-350
Codex sinaiticus ad 330-360
So no one can say with 100 % certainty what Paul wrote or that the manuscripts had not been altered or someone else had put their own interpretation on his work in the 150 + years since no one has the originals to compare it too .
So all the different translations can't all be right but they all can be wrong.
https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
Sea breeze
How many of these people were god believers (USA is a Christian country)before they sadly succumbed to their addiction?
Again can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the all the things that the bible claims he did.
perhaps you considering joining the wt cult - here is a concise list of why you should not.. what the watchtower demands of you:.
1.complete obedience to them.. 2. be willing to lose your life for zany blood teachings.. 3.put other cult members before your real family.. 4.refusal to let you leave their religion when the penny drops it's a cult.. 6.accept that they can backtrack and change any of their flip flop teachings at any time.. 7. you can't change your mind about their teachings without harsh discipline,.
8. insistence that you humbly and quickly apologise for your mistakes and errors.. 9.gladly accept they will never be apologising for any of their mistakes or errors of judgement.. 10.accept that even ones who follow and believe in the bible, but not the governing body are worthy of destruction.. please feel free to add more..
How you dress and grooming yourself.
What you read ,watch and listen too .
Don't listen to or believe outside sources, only listen to the gb they know best .
It's like Being controlled and manipulated in a abusive relationship. I know this from a personal experience, educating myself about such behaviours gave me the courage to leave a abusive marriage and then a abusive and controlling religion.
imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.
do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?
would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.
Sea breeze
People are influenced by religious leaders, coerced by beliefs that are promoted by their religion.as we all were when we were jws .
Atheism is not a belief system it's a lack of belief in a god or gods, I'm sure that you don't believe in thor ,Zeus and the other 3000 or so major gods throughout history, so you too are a atheist to these gods.
And yes man throughout history have done evil things to other humans because of the ideology of their different beliefs.
I have several times asked you to provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that you believed he did, you have yet to provide any verified evidence, yet you continue to promote your form of christianity as the one true religion.
You have left one wacky doodle religion for equally wacky doodle religion.
Please do independent research into the bible and your beliefs with a critical thinking attitude.
imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.
do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?
would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.
Imagine if any fundamentalist religion had there own country where they could do what they wanted ?
All religions are about control and manipulation of their followers and anyone who disagrees with them, so not unique to jws .
That's what I say .
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Sea breeze
You can't even provide independently verified evidence of a miracle worker called jesus, and the events that occurred at the supposed crucifixion eg temple curtain ripped in two ,darkness for three hours, earthquake and the holy ones walking out of their tombs. And that only happened about two thousand years ago .
Your Beliefs are based on myths and not facts.
